The final scene shows Fletcher's greatest attempt to humiliate Andrew, when he puts him onstage unprepared to play the song that the rest of the band is playing. He thinks he needs Fletcher, and Fletcher wants him, and together they're as destructive and malformed and perfectly matched as Batman and the Joker — enemies who can't live without each other. I loathed the movie Whiplash. Andrew realizes that he no longer needs Fletcher, and it's the best feeling ever. Mostly because of the conversation at the dinner table in which Andrew's dad makes the comment about dying drugged out at 40 (I can't remember the exact line, it's been a few months since I've seen it). Andrew is not destined to walk away from Fletcher. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. EDIT 05 Sep. 2015: The concept of Beat Per Minutes (BPM) has been mis-understood as mentioned by reddit.What I was supposed to write was Strokes Per Minutes (SPM). is to bring his students to that fork in the road, and in the final scene Neiman proves he has what it takes to be one of the greats. Have a great day! He proved that he actually is good and talented AGAINST all the abusive things that Fletcher had done. Sure Andrew might become a great musician but he also alienated his family, depressed, and will turn himself into someone like Fletcher. Whiplash Is a Terrible Movie. Okay, I'm somehow about to compare Step Brothers and Whiplash but bear with me: From my perspective, seeing Neiman "come to his senses" felt akin to how Brendan and Dale's parents felt seeing them with their lives together at the Catalina Wine Mixer. Andrew commands the band to play along to HIS tempo. Broad City 8. Music teachers and students are a weird relationship. What the movie seems to lead up to is Andrew coming to his senses and regaining control of his life, after he reports Fletcher to the school. As an audience it only takes a moment for us to realize how perverse that is, but Andrew will probably never have that realization — or if he does, it will likely be catastrophic. Released in 2014, Whiplash focuses on a promising young drummer (Miles Teller) pursuing his dream of greatness. After being suckered by his petty, vengeful, manipulative teacher, Andrew is in the throes of a drum solo to end all drum solos, and Fletcher cannot help but be in awe of his abilities. The best TV show of 2014 is… 1. Yes they had settled down and were leading much healthier lives, but they'd "lost their dinosaur", or the internal fire that guided them in life. Unless Damien Chazelle is a psychopath, I just can't understand that. An interesting, and as you said, highly different, interpretation. That's a daring choice from young director and writer Damien Chazelle, because Andrew, a student drummer, has been subjected to elite jazz … (It's pretty easy to appreciate someone's skill when you … Find out where Whiplash is streaming, if Whiplash is on Netflix, and get news and updates, on Decider. In “Whiplash,” the promising feature debut of writer-director Damien Chazelle, J.K. Simmons plays a music professor named Fletcher, a tightly coiled martinet who … Yeah, I never quite understand when people think we're meant to think Fletcher is this heroic teacher who demonstrates the true path to greatness. Damien Chazelle’s Whiplash stormed its way into theaters last weekend with a militaristic take on jazz musicians, their mentors, collaborators, and ambitions. Great story, great example of Anderson's signature technique, and great acting all around. In Andrew's mind being aproved by Fletcher means he made the best solo there can be. Even if Andrew was to become the greatest drummer in the world, he would still not be good enough. It was a good ending. I've always saw his dad's reaction in the end as more "oh my God, I've lost my son" and not "he's amazing". Whiplash engages you until the end, his rhythm is constant and the final scene is just perfect. The only reason I can't buy into your argument is this: I don't see what Fletcher stands to gain by "owning" Neyman. The best scene of the year is… 1. An embittered genius jazz band conductor for an elite New York school emotionally and physically abuses and gaslights the mostly young men in his band, constantly. The entire premise of Fletcher's doctrine is that enough is never enough. I would have given it to Grand Budapest that year. Bob’s Burgers 6. It's so fucking good that I got chills just from the thought of it. The beauty of stories of this caliber is that we can come away with such different ideas. Fletcher's M.O. Andrew realizes that he's his own player, and while Fletcher's goal is dependent on another person's commitment to himself, Andrew's is not. Neiman gave in and became Fletcher's puppet. This is not a movie to relax to. The move was great. As you say, a big plot point is that Fletcher's overblown methods drove someone to suicide. Fletcher finds the next "Charlie Parker". With Andrew he sacrifices his love life, a social life and a healthy relationship with his family. Fletcher comes to this realization mid-performance and stops trying to sabotage him and starts trying to guide him through. I don't think the film paints him as a sufficiently psychopathic man to make merely controlling Neyman enough motivation. Wes Anderson may border on self-parody sometimes, but that movie was a masterpiece. I've had eastern European piano teachers who smack your hands and belittle you and you practice because all you want to hear is "good.". Reddit LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Print ... which culminates in a seismic final scene that overrides the film’s minor flaws. That assuming he continues to work with Fletcher but we don't know that he will. I think a running theme that Chazelle uses in all of his movies (Whiplash, La La Land, First Man) is that with greatness, comes sacrifice; you can’t have your cake and eat it too. I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion really is, but what the scene represents to me is that Fletcher's abusive strategy worked. ("Whiplash" is the song that Teller's character is playing when he's almost decapitated by a chair thrown at him. Whiplash Drum Conducting Remixes is a replacement remix series featuring a scene from the 2014 music drama film Whiplash. I don’t think you are suppose to be happy or depressed with the ending. You've got a far sunnier outlook on this relationship than I do. If you haven’t seen it, I’ll spoil it for you here. I see what you mean and i think the scene leads us there at first, but then Fletcher starts supporting him and Andrew follows his lead. Blood ran down bandaged fists which skillfully and feverishly beat out a rhythm during the fast-paced performance of a jazz drummer, desperate for approval. We know the kid is a hell of a drummer and he knows he's good too, it's JK Simmons who says otherwise so we (the audience along for the ride) take his abuse on the chance he might reward us with a pat on the head but he probably never will because there are no two words in the English language more harmful than "good job. Yeah, I wouldn't say it was "hidden", it just wasn't explicitly stated by any of the characters. The film won't even grant you that so you are left wanting. But I feel that this message is not the one to take away from this movie. we realize Andrew is happier about Fletcher's approval than about his own achievement. Centered on a rousing musical performance given by the film’s protagonist Andrew (Miles Teller), the scene … no, and that's the point. It is. The primary antagonist, bandleader Terence Fletcher, is a demanding, abusive, charismatic and powerful influence on protagonist Andrew Neiman, who seeks to be one of the "greats" of jazz. Thought the camera gimmick distracted from the plot. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I didn't like Birdman. But I think the movie paints him as someone who does, at some level seek connection to others. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. ... Do jazz/classical musicians find “Whiplash” accurate? No one can say one way or the other and I think that's the point of the ending. Last Week Tonight With John Oliver 7. That’s why it’s sad. The final scene can then be scene as a relapse into Andrew's harmful, inhumane intensity, which left me feeling very uneasy when the credits began to roll. Simmons' character is constantly verbally abusing his students calling them names like c**ksuckers and some other offensive insults of wich some of them contains sexual references. The final scene can then be scene as a relapse into Andrew's harmful, inhumane intensity, which left me feeling very uneasy when the credits began to roll. Is he realising what his son can do or looking on horrified as his son gives in to Fletcher though? His humiliation tactics act as a kind of test, and Andrew fights back by performing exceptionally, in spite of his embarrassment. I didn't think it was a hidden meaning. It’s a heroes story where he makes it to end and he’s victorious but chazelle lets you ponder with “at what cost?” I absolutely love this movie and it’s one of my favorites of all time. Not always, some people are just talented and disciplined. The ending of Whiplash offers one of the most electrifying movie moments this year. To me the idea of him taking a step back and accepting a normal life seemed sadder than the abuse and torment he was taking in his pursuit of greatness. He's cruel, yes. But I feel that they are both willing participants in the ongoing game, and are both doing it out of dedication to a mutual purpose: the love of jazz. Andrew broke up with Nicole, who is now dating someone else, his relationship with his family begins to deteriorate, he seems to have made every sacrifice that he deemed necessary to be great, and he is great. They are like two opposing forces as charachters, and Andrew is the winner. The tension grew and emotions ran high as sweat flew from a grim, determined face. After being suckered by his petty, vengeful, manipulative teacher, Andrew is in the throes of a drum solo to end all drum solos, and Fletcher cannot help but be in awe of his abilities. Guardians Of The Galaxy, prison break. Both things cannot be learned (for the most part) ... you are born with it. Tbh I think it's a decently happy ending, I'll explain why: Andrew in his final scene, after he is utterly embarrassed by Fletcher in front of a live audience, gives his absolute best performance, mouthing a 'fuck you' towards Fletcher. Whiplash took only 19 days to shoot, and nearly a full day was dedicated to a scene in Fletcher’s office that was cut from the final movie. Damien Chazelle's 2014 film Whiplash is a tense and psychological drama about the cost of success, and the value of achieving greatness, whatever the individual believes that to be.. Interstellar, docking scene 3. The second time around, I realized the truth that Fletcher won, and not in the, "Oh the football coach and the QB won together," way. Right before he is about to take the stage he fractures the last healthy relationship he has in his life with his dad. In Whiplash's final scene, Fletcher looks into Andrew's eyes and finally, silently, probably fleetingly, acknowledges the young drummer's brilliance. To be fair, those family friends were dicks anyway, they didn't actually care about Andrews talents, and his dad always stuck with him, poignant because he says his dad is a writer then changes it to teacher as if he dreamed of being a writer but never got there. Maybe he walks away which would be the ultimate triumph over him... to become the protege he always wanted and then simply walk away. People grow through desire for more, to say 'good job' is to stop someone's wish to continue to improve. Fantastic film. Introduction. ", So the last scene of the film, you see what you are hoping is approval on his face. I think the clear theme is to explore whether it is worth it or not, rather than whether it was awful or not, at least that is what I took from it. He's the next Charlie Parker, heroin addiction and death at 35 to come. It's satisfying because Andrew's drumming has finally reached a place where it can exist and even flourish in his teacher's absence. it's a look of horror. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Whiplash, final scene 2. True Detective 3. In Whiplash's final scene, Fletcher looks into Andrew's eyes and finally, silently, probably fleetingly, acknowledges the young drummer's brilliance. The two actors dominate the story and the screen. But they're one in the same for Neiman. I definitely saw the look his father gave as more of an, 'I've lost him' look. California. I imagined that Look was the same of the mother seeing her son in the classic short story by D.H. Lawrence, The Rocking-Horse Winner. I saw Whiplash back to back because I was so enthralled with it. What happens in the final scene totally undercuts this logic. It's a movie about obsession and preverse seduction, not a coming of age or coming of greatness story. Climate & … Or maybe not. The ending of Whiplash offers one of the most electrifying movie moments this year. I just watched Whiplash for the first time yesterday, and I loved almost every aspect of it. Fargo 4. Whiplash Final scene begins with Terence Fletcher (JK Simmons) supposedly revealing to Andrew Neiman (Miles Teller) that he’s known all along that the student that complained to the school administration was him, after gaining his trust at the very beginning of the last act. 2. Despite the film depicting a car crash I think there's no doubt that the most "violent" looking section, the one that lives up to the title most, is the ending, and that's almost entirely down to the pacing and the cuts. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, News & Discussion about Major Motion Pictures, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. The Good Wife 9. Success requires sacrifice, whether that should be something an external force imposes or entirely of your own volition; he pushed him and it makes him a bit of a dick, regardless of his motivation, so I like the thinking that he's relapsing but I see it more as realising his potential. That escalated quickly. The music was inspiring, the camerawork was incredible, etc., it has all been said before. The music was inspiring, the camerawork was incredible, etc., it has all been said before. There are plenty of unhappy people in the world that dont become addicts or kill themselves. The iconic final scene of Whiplash is actually terribly depressing. And I find those two facts hard to reconcile with someone for whom "owning" another person is the ultimate goal. the loss of the father-son bond throughout the movie really made that sad for me. Is that attainable? Soundtrack Main Songs - The entire soundtrack is composed of Jazz music mainly from Composer Justin Hurwitz, who also composed some of the music for LaLa Land. This greatness will only be achieved with the help of a ruthless teacher (J. K. Simmons) that will push him … That's all, this is just my opinion, and I would love to hear what you think. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, News & Discussion about Major Motion Pictures, Press J to jump to the feed. I love Whiplash, and credit where it's due for the incredible performances from Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons and Damien Chazelle's superb direction, but the real standout here is the editing. Reddit LinkedIn ... “Whiplash” was a sensation at Sundance this year. The scene's magic trick is making us, the audience, feel that satisfaction at Fletcher's reaction, too. That look of dawning comprehension on Paul Reiser's face, as he looks through the window and sees what his son can do for the first time -- it just gives me chills. He won the love of the extremely abusive maniacal teacher even if he had to violate him first. I feel like he was genuinely affected by Casey's death, and I feel that his admiration of his jazz heroes is easy to see. Totally agree this is the whole point of the movie. One of the only films where I was legit on the edge of my seat ready to leap out. I decided to look up a Buddy Rich drum solo on YouTube. I think your point is great but what would you think if he never "succeed" in music -he was feeling down and hopeless before that ending- because of the things that Fletcher said to him. He accomplished something great but at the expense of the relationship with his father, that of unconditional love. … I just saw the film for the first time tonight, but I thought that his dad's face was of more sadness that his son caved into Fletcher in the end. I believe this is the more correct interpretation because chazelle said something along the lines of "Andrew will probably die of a drug overdose at 29 or something" because that kind of work ethic is vicious circle of sorts. Game Of Thrones 5. This is called… Unquestionably, Whiplash (Damien Chazelle, 2014) is J.K. Simmons’ and Miles Teller’s film. Mad Men 10. TV. He doesn't need the guy anymore. To me, he didn't lose his hope against all these and turned his talent in music into a passion. Although Fletcher comes pretty close in the scene at the jazz club, where he walks about Charlie Parker. Maybe he takes this as a triumph over Fletcher and walks away, seems to me that would be the ultimate victory... to become the protege he wants and then walk away from him. The ending is just life. Yeah, I got a bit of this vibe from it too. in his own son. Here's how I interpreted the final scene in a piece I wrote shortly after the movie hit theaters: In Whiplash's final scene, Fletcher looks into Andrew's eyes and finally, silently, probably fleetingly, acknowledges the young drummer's brilliance. Looking to watch Whiplash? Too self-consciously artsy for my tastes. Yeah I agree with your assessment. When the credits hit the first time, I was elated that Neiman was able to rise above Fletcher's expectations in spite of him. It made me think that I want to write a similar story that has the same effect on me. I can't find a single flaw in that whole movie. This is the way I felt. Or is that final scene in Whiplash something that film can do better and easier than writing? In an earlier scene we see him telling Andrew he pushes his students to exact greatness from them, even providing anecdotes of other great musicians who were pushed hard and turned into greats. Unless you think there's maybe a sexual dynamic I'm not picking up on, I just don't think Fletcher is painted quite as evil as he would have to be to make your conclusion ring true. Great ending for these reasons, though, so much to take away no matter how it's interpreted. Orange Is The New Black I've never seen a dual framing device before, and if you had told me about it beforehand, I would have said it was a dumb idea. Yeah, it kind of starts off as a kind of awe, but he seems more distressed as his expression plays out, to me at least. And they share eye contact right at the end that can only be described as pride, respect, and for Andrew the pure joy and satisfaction of finally pleasing Fletcher. If you saw Whiplash, you’ll recall the final scene in which Fletcher deliberately sabotages Andrew’s fledgling career by giving him the wrong music for a concert. He's lost his son. I definitely agree with your conclusion that they walk away from the story as enemies who can't live without each other. A son, possessed, by a horrible obsession that will ultimately destroy him. And more in likely, he will be dead before 30 either by an overdose or suicide. Well they both win really. Discussion. Title: Whiplash Writer/Director: Damien Chazelle Year: 2014 Starring: Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons Within the first few minutes of watching most movies an audience can normally pick out what genre the movie falls under and the overall mood. Little nuances of a scene can hint at the tone of the film. I just watched Whiplash for the first time yesterday, and I loved almost every aspect of it. Charlie Parker, heroin addiction and death at 35 to come. Hannibal 2. Instead, at the end of it, we realize Andrew is happier about Fletcher's approval than about his own achievement. SPOILER WARNING. Business. God damn, it's good. The meme edits a scene from the film's ending in which the character Fletcher conducts his band's drummer Andrew by playing along to the percussion with his fingers and pointing to him when Andrew's solo arrives. It's a bit disturbing in that context, revealing quite a sick undercurrent of Fletcher's character. If this were a worse movie, that's the ending we'd get, but Whiplash is better than that. Passion requires balance, and Fletcher pushes Neiman to his breaking point, clearly abusing him emotionally and physically. Gets quiet then loud again following a Fletchers conduction. The major problem here is that there's A LOT of swearing. If Andrew decides at the end of this solo that Fletcher's opinion will never mean anything to him ever again, he'll probably go on to be a very successful musician. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, you hit the nail on the head on what the movie is about. ", I won't argue that this film should have won best picture, Why not? Leading up to the grand performance.. the terrifyingly exciting words of Fletcher: "You think I'm fucking stupid? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He wants his affection and he got it. Fletcher is still — overtly — controlling Niemann, to the point of almost telling him which drums to hit, how to play. That's what I took away from that. I know it was you. Today, writer-director Damien Chazelle explains why the first scene of Whiplash sets up everything you need to know about the relationship between Andrew (Miles … Extremely cutting and acerbic. Every cut puts you further and further on the edge of your seat, and especially with the ending, sucks all the air out of your lungs. Andrew finally became one of the jazz greats he'd dreamed of being (or at least started on the path to becoming one), but he lost everything to get there. Centered on a rousing musical performance given by the film’s protagonist Andrew (Miles Teller), the scene is filmed and presented as a triumph, if a costly one. 'Whiplash's' final scene is dissected by Damien Chazelle, Miles Teller, J.K. Simmons, Tom Cross, Justin Hurwitz and Sharon Meir. Exact scene where we can see Sophie in Whiplash… that's a really interesting take, i suppose it all depends on what you define as success from Andrew's standpoint. The film’s title “Whiplash… They just live... unhappily. Cinematography Continued - There are many extreme close ups of Andrew's bleeding hands, which shows his dedication and I think it was showing the two avenues people go, Andrew tries to do the relationship thing because everybody else does but then realises it's not what he want, he wants to be a great drummer who people talk about at diner tables for years to come. What separates the legends from mortals is that the latter will always reach a breaking point and come to their senses, whereas legends never lose their drive even when logic and reason tell them they should. No, this is the beginning of a long and terrible relationship that could very well find Andrew walking in the footsteps of the movie's cautionary tale, the suicidal "Sean Casey." It's incredible and absolutely as worthy of praise as Birdman. However, in the meme, when the film cuts to … But I loved that element of it. 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