[–]AliceMehFromOdin 201 points202 points203 points 6 months ago (67 children). My personal opinion on it is that I'm not the biggest fan of content creators being under the thumb like that, but it's the price they pay to profit off of SEs IP. [–]MrGencysExit 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (0 children), This thread was a funny good read people think xeno is bigger than he actually is you think SE gives a shit if him and his dick riders leave the game fuck no. [–]BLMArras01 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (7 children). [Discussion]Xenosys_vex banned for making "vulgar comments while streaming on twitch" (reddit.com), [–]klashikari 316 points317 points318 points 6 months ago* (90 children). [–]The-Descolada 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (2 children), but this is clearly not banter, so idk why you're making it out to be the same thing, [–]kazegami 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (1 child). Chances are either Xeno lied or forgotten he got suspended long ago on one of his 2 accounts. [–]ff14valk 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (2 children). 'How can he know WHICH time he was a hostile asshole to delete? Maybe hold yourself to better standards if you want to be a prominent content creator for a community? no shit. Sad that I'm not playing this game at all :( Regardless of what was said, SquareEnix should not have jurisdiction outside their game or platform. Why only now? perm_identity. I replied that we have nothing but the developers' promise that such would happen and that they wouldn't spend all the money on sake. If a person voices honest criticism or says they didnt like (X) these people rain hellfire upon these people saying things like "fuck you your wrong." I've been working on resources and helping people in The Balance for years to improve. In Arthars' case, his actions ultimately made people harassing the victim (JP people shit talking the BLM in-game, BL and kicking them out of PF and so forth). If you get into an argument or curse someone out once and then get banned for it, you would know exactly when and why you were banned. Also about whether or not forum bans are considered when giving ingame bans. Not "LOL BUTTS AMIRITE?" And next you can tell me how the moon landing was faked and the world is flat. Yeah what a great 'ambassador' to our game. I've sent this to Xeno through Momo. Squeenix is probably enforcing based entirely on twitch vods. Maybe. What's the best way to experience older content as a new player? no, no, again it's extremely disingenuous to see someone like Xeno get a suspension and then wonder what he did to get suspended. Considering how vague the TOS are regarding this, it seems that the moment a streamer use the S word or the F bomb, they could be at the receiving end of a temp ban. [–]Aenemius 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (10 children). [–]Toast-Orange 30 points31 points32 points 6 months ago (0 children). You can't tell someone they've broken a rule and not specify where, when and what rule. [–]TobioOkuma1 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago* (1 child). How not to get banned: be a decent human being. Instead, if SE bans him, he still has that audience and could still cause flame rushes if he wanted, he just can't play. u-u, Some Shadowbringers gals (inspired by FF9 art style), "Square Enix can we have Gaia's outfit please?" ", [–]LoremIpsumoid 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago (14 children). 43127 Total Bans. But this "delete your VoD, but you have to play guessing game about which VoD it is" is fucking stupid. I can't really see any justification whatsoever. Fuck me the support/gms for this game are beyond fucking incompetent sometimes. Especially that first one. This ruling in particular is concerning because of the implications that ranting on stream about another player could bring punishment. Secondly, it's the MUL violation being acted upon so twitch is not responsible for policing a policy on a per game basis. I agree there's valid reasons SE have for wanting to ban him, but the lack of clear communication is what has a lot of people anxious over this. No. [–]Flau Rynka on CactuarAd_Hominem_Phallusy 101 points102 points103 points 6 months ago (33 children). Just imagine that in a FPS game like OW or COD, where you could get axed simply because you got robbed by a random HS and you merely ranted about that. I'd guess this has nothing to do with harassing someone like Arthars did, but more to do with the toxic personality he projects on stream in general. even if you ban one another one will easily take its place. It's to prevent people from retaliating against the one who reported them, though in this case it's kinda dumb. What? SE can't afford to get gms or their STF to: Tackle the rampant bottling that's occurred for years, Combat people who talk about hentai, lolis and other repulsive degenerate crap in limsa and novice network, Combat the people who are manipulating the queues in ranked feast, [–]Kaisos 32 points33 points34 points 6 months ago (17 children), GMs only take action when something is reported to them. TBH I don't think it's banworthy. Let's not go too far in the opposite direction. [–]Jaghat 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago (1 child). Has nothing to do with being polite/toxic. It's a bad precedent to set. Calling someone everything you can without directly name dropping them and getting so very close to just saying "Go harass and report this fucking guy" is literally breaking part of FF14's TOS. There are countless other races but all are trivial by comparison. Dude's been a known toxic player for years. Someone doesn't realise the slipery slope they've put the GMs on. I'll continue to slam their STF with reports though, maybe they'll get sick of me and at least make some right-click "send garbage to STF's paper shredder" options in-game. Not to mention he violates ToS every time he streams so It was bound to happen at some point regardless. Which city is worth the exorbitant teleportation fee for? Just so happens he finally got got for it. [–]Codeboy3423 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (0 children). [–]syriquez 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago (35 children). This is the exact reason everyone here was straight wrong in celebrating Arthar's ban. If he sent people to flame someone then I would agree with the ban. I was just quoting what Yoshida himself had said numerous times. On one hand, I get that the goal is to protect the person reporting. But he has a LONG history of being toxic as fuck on stream... surprised Arthas beat him to being banned, [–]BLUSelvii 29 points30 points31 points 6 months ago (9 children). Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. In this case they probably specifically avoid mentioning the clip because it was an extremely grey area where nobody in the game was being hanged out. [–]Rex_Marksley 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago (1 child). [–]RX-27 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (2 children), that's a really nice reductionist viewpoint you got there, [–]xxxtomcruisefan69xxx 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago (1 child), so they can ban people over saying “vulgar comments” on twitch, a separate entity, that’s not in their actual in-game chat, but they won’t ban people who stalk and harass people in game because it’s outside of their jurisdiction? Personally this is me. No, he didnt actually comment on the whitemage in the team in the clip. Welcome to our Ban Portal! or maybe you should be glad SE finally did something about his behavior. They should be working with the platforms when it comes to player generated content, and only acting unilaterally when it's in the game chat or they have a promotion arrangement with the channel. 2361 Total Perma-Bans. There's a wide gulf, imo, between streaming the game and "venting" (which is what people are claiming this ban stops), and holding up a user's name on stream and spewing vitriol about them to hundreds, if not thousands, of viewers. They still don't accept it if it's proof of harrassment, RMT, botting, etc. Streamers, for better or worse, have an impact on behavioral norms and it looks like SE doesn't want the kind of attitude streamers like Xeno and Arthars have to be a part of their game. Nobody really got harassed, so far as I know. Based on the video clips of Xenosys Vex that people posted in the thread you linked to, where he calls people “fucking retards”, “piece of fucking shit” and other words, I would say the ban was deserved. If I’m running a PF for weeklies and someone joins who isn’t trying or having issues, I’ll just replace them. The justification is in the Materials Usage Agreement which most of us have the benefit of ignoring, because it's more for content creators. That's why I'm glad this is happening, because it's about time. "Sorry we are unable to take action at this time, we will forward your report to the STF(special task force) for further investigation" - nothing ever happens. Exactly. I like Xeno and arthus both, but its so stupidly disingenous to imply they somehow werent super toxic and disruptive when the both of them base almost all of their stream content on how mad they get when pugs are bad. [–]Moltenfury5 57 points58 points59 points 6 months ago (7 children). Yes but everyone here swears whatever he dod was minor. but you know what? it's likely someone who had a negative interaction with Xeno reported him over it, [–]ChromaticBadger 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago* (2 children). The irony of this is, Tobio is being blamed and on some level harassed for getting Xeno banned when it wasn't him. It felt like no matter how much I reported them, they never got banned, despite TOS breaking. He is an influencer, and has been paid/invited to go to events by SE. [–]iamed 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago (0 children). The fact people are trying to figure out what this guy did because he has so many incidents where he's being nasty to someone and no one can explicitly narrow it down is pretty telling, however. I think my favorite part of this is how we're complaining that SE won't specify which clip to take down, and yet people have brought up a number of different clips that might be the violating one. [–]Aenemius 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (2 children). Banning someone for what they say outside of the game is absolutely asinine. [–]johnstrelok 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (0 children). If you aint 100% positive and keep your opinions to yourself (which content creating is all about) you're witch-hunted by the community. its definitely deserved, as a streamer pulling in hundreds of viewers EACH DAY as well as PROFITING off of it, they are held to a higher standard than every other player. I could have probably been more descriptive and nuanced in what I said, but what's done is done. According to the MUA, it's their problem if they feel it's damaging to their IP. The person in question wasn't actually on the parselist. (._.). [–]Toast-Orange 20 points21 points22 points 6 months ago* (8 children), I mean, have you seen this thread? (This was answered with, someone linked the clip in chat, which made it 'fair game' to enforce, apparently). Dude cussed me out for not shielding everything in a normal mode. 40766 Total Temp-Bans. [–]NinjaTheodoreMcIntyre 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago (3 children). I have no idea if Xeno's account was already flagged, but 10 days of suspension for profanity is quite overboard, especially done outside of the game. Ban length doesn't always correlate with previous bans. The Imperium considers humanity the rightful rulers of the whole galaxy. I got one strike and a day-long suspension back in 2016 for telling some dude he was acting like a piece of shit to a new healer running a8n back in the day. My guess, there are many clips of him being toxic so there probably isn't just "one vod" to delete. This is one of the things that needs to be asked about at a convention, the whole "why the fuck are you policing Twitch VODs and knock it the fuck off" question. We give your brand a life. Xenosys TTL Custom Loupes offers the very best optical clarity that you will find. [–]SacredNym 22 points23 points24 points 6 months ago (3 children). This isn't just a case of "simply ranting", the guy has said some pretty harassing and outright vile stuff. Why do people here have a hard time with the concept of "don't talk shit about other players"? Whoa, whoa, whoa. exit_to_app Sign In. If nobody's being harassed, it doesn't really affect them at all. If you disconnect the ban with the action, this is more difficult. [–]TheFliixy 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (26 children). Unfortunately, turns out Xeno just wasn't paying attention to the pre-pull chat and the PF description, and they were doing the boss-relative strat. And not endorsing healer dps in such a situation is unheard of. To get started, sign in with Steam. [–]BLMxMusicaCancer 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (12 children). But only when someone's fefes gets hurt. like the person who responded to your other comment said why aren't all streamers banned? An old friend even had video evidence but was fed the usual "we can't accept outside information". [–]Aenemius 34 points35 points36 points 6 months ago (10 children), [–]SCHMiskav 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (1 child). He knows what got him banned, he’s just trying to deflect the issue towards SE to take the blame off himself. [–]Bane with no DOTs :3kevv2 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (7 children). [–]therealkami 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago (0 children), This one was linked as a possible clip that caused it (there's multiple), [–]sensibleheels 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago (0 children). he plays pugs just to do this content, [–]bossofthisjim 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago (1 child). [–]pyuunpls 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago (0 children). It seems a bit coincidental that 3 streams who have been banned (Arthars, Violent, Xeno) all make their mark outside of prog by being toxic manlets, who go into PF with the express goal of finding someone who's less than stellar and raging about them and their bad play. Apparently that's fine because it's then materials usage - an entirely different part of the agreement. Collaborate and discuss server related events on this platform, and view important links such as our discord server and our ban … I play Destiny 2, and the game is in a terrible state. [–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 6 months ago (0 children), yeah xenos is pretty shitty, i straight up remember him in a mogtalk episode going off about how you can't say the r-slur or f-slur anymore (and actually saying them of course), was a year+ ago but i doubt he's changed at all, great dude, [–]Flau Rynka on CactuarAd_Hominem_Phallusy 143 points144 points145 points 6 months ago (56 children). Sit on their fucking asses watching twitch streams. [–]Toast-Orange 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago (0 children). None of them are from the time that he got banned. you're encouraging that kind of toxic behavior to all of them and that's an awful thing to bring into the game. If I was in SE's place I'd at least hit them with a warning should that be the case. There's probably more they could do in preventing how the creators get accounts, but I don't know enough about what they do. This is why banning people (like Arthars) for shit they do on Twitch is something EVERYONE should've been against. If it was minor, then hes on his third offense. This is a good ban, imo. (Not saying that Xeno would, just putting it out there that it COULD happen, which is their concern). [and]. I don't really care about stupid drama over a video game. If SE sees someone streaming their content, and doing so in an incredibly toxic manor, it is well within their rights to ban them. Most raiders I know just get BIS do some parse runs and then unsub or do ultimates, [–]rocketchatb 135 points136 points137 points 6 months ago (18 children), Don't know why people here defend this clown, [–]Tataru Taru on CerberusKendjin 46 points47 points48 points 6 months ago (0 children). Should SE have linked to specific clip when talking to banned person about the ban? others have said they're afraid to say anything in game, but I've yet to get pulled by a GM and I talk in chat all the goddamn time. Does the free trial include the full story? it's just much more likely that Xeno screamed at someone, like he always does, and that person got offended enough to report him, [–]DRGBourne_Endeavor 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago (0 children), People also have reported players botting. Getting toxic because of it is not the way to go. [–]aeliott 59 points60 points61 points 6 months ago (11 children), Maybe it's not my place to comment, but as someone who doesn't actively follow him, but has nevertheless seen his streams at time to time for various reasons, I'm ....not surprised? gavel. He was toxic in game, he gets his ban, it's that simple Xeno dick-rider. The method in which they decided might not be happy to everyone. I later talked to one of them and Xeno's fans were harassing them bad enough he had to change names, [–] My BadT_______T 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago (5 children). Live content is clearly too much. I speculate that's why they intervened in that situation when normally they're hands-off, This xeno situation is definitely not the same, [–]??? * Notifications for PvP team formations are shared for all languages. Blatantly botting and teleport hacking? Right now though, I'm just trying to finish up the ARR beast tribes since I've been slacking on them for the better part of 4 years, and stocking up on cordials/gathering/crafting scrips. It's shit, but it's copyright shit, which is even worse universally than GMs overreaching. seriously? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Which is funny because when you report someone gms won't take outside game evidence. Delubrum Reginae Savage World First Clear, 1 Bot has COMPLETELY cornered the high end crafting in Louisiox and Square Enix DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. He banned someone in twitch chat that made idiotic claims. I wonder in which section of the reporting book it is. [–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (9 children). [–]Codeboy3423 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago (0 children). If it is due to death, is it their fault or is someone else cause them to die? none of these clips suggest he puts any effort into protecting the identity of these players. I've mentioned this in other replies, but the license is basically "We won't go after you for copyright or trademark infringement for using our IP, as long as you don't do anything bad or misrepresent the game with our materials", https://support.eu.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5383&la=2&tag=authc. [–]RIP DRKgreenPotate 30 points31 points32 points 6 months ago (1 child). ', [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (10 children). Drak and Tate CONSTANTLY shame the people they play with. You can choose not to play if you think it's unfair, [–]TobioOkuma1 87 points88 points89 points 6 months ago (34 children). Discover the magic of the internet at Imgur, a community powered entertainment destination. * Notifications for standings updates are shared across all Worlds. [–]AliceMehFromOdin 58 points59 points60 points 6 months ago (27 children). Reddit is already out, as proven by one dude on TalesfromDF. Im sorry but if I wasn't a toxic player and got banned for something I'd refute a ban. Oh I certainly wasn't intending to defend Xeno - he's really not my style. I report all the RMT PF ads to the STF webform literally every single day and have done so for about uh, I think it's going on 10 months straight now. Granted all we have to go off of are assumptions (fat chance Xeno ever reveals the real reason/depth of vitriol that got him banned), but I think it's safer to assume he got banned for pointing at a player's in-game name on stream and yelling "you fucking stupid idiot moron" than to assume he might have been banned for "ah fuck". GMs have historically issued contradictory rulings, making community guidelines unclear. No they shouldn't. Rendered by PID 4028 on r2-app-0c40445ece01b1e26 at 2021-02-05 12:16:02.626502+00:00 running b599dd2 country code: US. Xenos is vile and his whole brand is based around being an asshole on twitch. But if you are constantly being a jerk in a broad sense you are just setting yourself up to one day be banned for it when literally any instance could be used as ammo for people out to get you. Multiple-game parsing support Originally designed for EverQuest II, now all parsing is done through plugins allowing all games/localizations equal access. I've seen a couple of clips of him absolutely losing his shit raging at people in his parties for stuff, no names hidden. he sounds like a real upstanding member of the playerbase. [–]usagizero 29 points30 points31 points 6 months ago (11 children). However, in Xeno's case, he wasn't banned for Harassment, but merely for "vulgarity", which is quite alarming to say the least. I personally don't think there's much sense in panicking too much about this, but I also don't think we should be congratulating SE either. Was it right for Xenosys to get banned for outside game content. The other problem is "The Great Community By The Way" GCBTW, people in the FF14 community I feel theres a vocal minority that are massive Anti Toxic that they themselves have circled back around and become the toxic players using anti toxic player as their banner and voice. Idiots ", [–]DRGRockakerman 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (0 children), [–]Kaisos 85 points86 points87 points 6 months ago (30 children), every single time this happens people start doing the slippery slope fallacy but the fact of the matter is that only streamers who -continually harass people over a period of years- have been banned, and even then not even permanently, you will never see Drak, Zepla, Happy, Spofie, Tate etc being banned because they don't make a habit out of publicly shaming the people they play with, [–]MenphinaTheDapperChangeling 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (3 children). The OP seemed to have no issues claiming it was “a blm with shit dps” which kind of makes the whole point of how the clip lead to toxic behavior and even potential harassment of the player. No harm no foul. Amazingly this was the right call because this ban is so high-profile that I’m sure if they provided a single clip that person would indeed be targeted. People keep mentioning Arthars, but considering what the GM has stated, the situation is quite different. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Stuff in game like stalking and harassment I feel can be left vague but what Xenos did was not harassment or atleast not the ban he was given. op got temp banned, [–]Healer no longerredlaWw 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago (8 children), Limsa still full of bots, ban wave tactics or not SE feels very unresponsive to reports against actual serious infringements. Server: Xeno DarkRP: Username: Barcode (76561198085210782) Reason: RDM and multiple client side scripts. PF Stuff and Static Reclears! Welcome to the forums used by the Xeno Community. WoW has bots, GW2, ESO, you name it - Ragnarok Online I botted for a long time until I got caught and banned over a decade ago, rip. The others were just vile people I've met, like that one dude hard flaming me in titania normal mode for not shielding every AOE. It was when the first shop-bought minions and mounts made their appearance and people were saying that the income would definitely go to improving the game for everyone. Violent was banned too, for similar reasons, because his content was also 90% "let's go into pugs and then rage when they suck", [–]XxSacroxX 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago (1 child). All I see in this thread is a bunch of people upset because they’re afraid of being exposed as shitty people. Well it shouldn't be hard for SE to simply state that to be the reason then, no? [–]Toast-Orange 53 points54 points55 points 6 months ago (18 children), I love that his fans go "THIS ISN'T HOW HE IS, HE'S SO NICE" Literally 20 clips in this thread all showing him being an entitled man-child. From what I remember of the full vod, he also didn't even have the humility to even give an "oh, my bad", in either the in-game chat or to his stream. Shit, if you got a PERM ban you'd have no reason NOT to flame rush at that point, still with your audience, [–]lord_devilkun 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago (0 children). People keep mentioning Arthars, but considering what the GM has stated, the situation is quite different. Considering his influence in that specific situation, you could argue Arthars instigated, albeit involuntary, the following harassment that lead to his ban. It's like saying that since Jared's behaviour had nothing to do with Subway at all, Subway shouldn't have taken any actions towards him being in their ads. Wedding this past weekend and now out of town for work. But here we are, someone getting harassed and wrongfully at that. [–]aechbot 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago (0 children), [–]HazyAssaulter[S] 39 points40 points41 points 6 months ago (8 children), https://i.gyazo.com/fb4def89216d9cd2cbe0a49cc2c8b36c.png I think FFXIV should provide a chat anonymization feature. Does link his own name with his social media, Routinely makes callouts that could result in flying monkeys. [–]therealkami 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago (3 children), https://i.gyazo.com/fb4def89216d9cd2cbe0a49cc2c8b36c.png. like I said in a different comment if someone like Xepla or Desperius got suspended for that then maybe I'd agree, but if someone that toxic is suspended for their toxic behavior then it's pretty self-evident (also as another commenter said 10 days implies that this is not at all his first offense). Find out why. [–]powerextreme12 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago (1 child). Oh well..karma always gets her bitch. Just like with Arthars, he went off the deep end, was toxic, and some of his viewers probably also went after the guy. Actually, 3 or 4 of them are the same person. There is a clip going around, someone further down linked it but Xeno doesn't know what actually got him banned because the GM is "not allowed" to share that information. [–]CalydorEstalon 21 points22 points23 points 6 months ago (3 children). [–]Chompchompers 29 points30 points31 points 6 months ago (18 children).